http://hronometer.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] hronometer.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] ru_deutsch 2013-12-20 07:52 am (UTC)

с этим duden даже не спорит. а вот более "домашние" значения слова, когда говорят о члене семьи без намерения обидеть - вот этого я в словарях не нашла.
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